Saturday, 16 April 2016

word choice - に vs で again: 前に vs 後で


Following the current trend of pitting the particles に and で against each other, here is another question that does the same but from another type of usage and perspective.


When we want to say "do X before Y", we use "Y 前に X":



食べる前に「いただきます」と言う。



On the other hand, when we want to say "do X after Y", we use "Y 後で X":




食べた後で「ごちそうさまでした」と言う。



What is the simplest explanation to explain the differences between 前 and 後 that make 前 goes with に while 後 goes with で in the two situations above?



Answer



derives from に+て, and roughly corresponds to the present/past participles (-ing, -en) in Western languages. Kuno (1973) notices that implies temporal order. So when you have



走ってころんだ
'(By) running, I fell',



running has to precede falling; it cannot be the other way around. This much is the general consensus.



Notice that the usage of in the question involves temporal notions rather than locations. Now, I found an interesting explanation here: Q14 that connects the facts mentioned above. According to this, when you have an expression



A [temporal noun] で B,



the that is included in obeys the temporal restriction mentioned above; that is, what is expressed by A [temporal noun] has to precede B. Going in the other temporal order is not allowed. Therefore, expressions like



食べた後で「いただきます」と言う。 [Temporal order: 食べた => 言う]



are grammatical but




× 食べる前で「いただきます」と言う。 [Temporal order: 食べる <= 言う]
× 食べるよりも先で「いただきます」と言う。 [Temporal order: 食べる <= 言う]



are not. can be used by all the examples above:



食べた後に「いただきます」と言う。
食べる前に「いただきます」と言う。
食べるよりも先に「いただきます」と言う。



If there is preference of 食べた後で「いただきます」と言う over 食べた後に「いただきます」と言う, then some kind of slight difference in meaning like what phirru mentions in the comment may be playing a role here.



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